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Why iPods and Macs are hated by default

The Apple iMac, according to Walt Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal, "the best desktop computer at any price range."

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Little over a week ago, Sandisk launched an anti-iPod campaign and Newsvine-addict Brian Ford posted about it, a seed that sparked a long-running, heated debate on the iPod vs. the rest, on the popularity of the iPod and whether or not it is a better audio player.

Brian followed it up and asserted, very correctly I might add, that the iPod's vast popularity did not come from being popular right from the start. When the iPod was launched in October 2001, Apple was a minority player in the world of music players or just the tech industry in general. Its share of the computer market was (and is) a mere few percentages — hardly a position from which you can produce popularity simply on your brand name alone.

As such, when the iPod was launched it wasn't a popular product at all. In fact, the first line of iPods was Mac-only, and thus excluded more than 95% of its potential audience. It wasn't until the iPod became Mac and PC-compatible that it started to become more popular — again, not "because it was popular" (because it wasn't, yet) but because it was a good product. It offered consumers a solution they needed or wanted, and the iPod offered it in ways the competitors didn't: ease of use, strong functionality and quality design. These factors were strongest in the iPod, so despite the fact that many companies jumped into the world of digital audio players at the time, the iPod gained in market share steadily.

By 2005, the iPod had reached over 70% market share in the US and the iTunes Music Store accomodated for roughly 82% of all (legally) downloaded music. The iPod was vastly popular, but it had gotten there not for being popular but for being a device that people enjoyed so much they would recommend it to their friends. At the same time, the iPod, with its incredibly stylish design, enjoyed having a cool, hip and trendy image — but this image would never have worked if the device hadn't been at least somewhat popular. A consumer trend doesn't pick up out of thin air; it needs an installed base of satisfied customers.

Bring on the haters.

Today, marketing ploys like Sandisk's anti-iPod campaign prove only one thing: the iPod is popular, and some people don't like it that way. Obviously, Apple's competition fits that category, but I'm talking regular consumers here. Any time iPod-related news hits the Internet, people will butt into the conversation pointing out that the iPod is an inferior device, that their Sandisk/Creative/iRiver/competitor-of-choice's player is much better, has more features, is cheaper and/or is a more robust device. They will bring on evidence for their case by linking to articles, forum posts or news reports of people complaining about scratches or whatever problem with their iPods they may have, completely forgetting that no product that has ever been created in the history of mankind has been flawless. Or, in similar vein, they completely forget the law of large numbers:

The law of truly large numbers says that with a large enough sample many odd coincidences are likely to happen.

With over 50 million iPods sold to date, it takes only a tiny fraction of a percentage of iPods to have a problem, to become quite a noticeable amount.

Imagine that 1% of iPods showed a defect: it amounts to 500.000 iPods with a problem. Now imagine that only 1% of the owners with a defective iPod make a vocal complaint about it: that's 5.000 people complaining.

5.000 complaints — that's bound to draw attention on the Internet, no matter how scattered across the world these people would be. But 5.000 is only a percentage of a percentage (or 1/10.000th) of the total number of iPods that didn't have a problem.

These numbers are completely unbased, however. For starters, many customers have (had) more than one single iPod, thus already making the number of iPods sold vs. the number of iPod users two completely different numbers.

Moreover, in reality it is quite likely that far more than 1% of iPod owners with a problem will make a fuss about it (it is, after all, a popular product and that will get you good media coverage right there). Conversely, it might be far more or far less than 1% of iPods that show a real defect. But either way, it suggests that we would see tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of complaints. So...

I hereby challenge anyone who feels that the iPod is not the best MP3 player in the world, to find 500 unique cases of people having a problem with it. Not 500.000, not 5.000, "just" 500.

With tens or hundreds of thousands of presumable complaints, vocal complaints at that, it shouldn't be hard to find a good amount. Right?

Obviously, nobody is going to go through a ton of effort to gather 500 unique cases for no reason other than to make a point (or prove me wrong), but the whole thing demonstrates that there is something fundamentally flawed in the arguments presented by iPod-haters: a fairly severe lack of research.

Point in case, the biggest flaw in arguments from people hating on the iPod is expressed by Creating Passionate Users' blog post, Popularity breeds contempt:

How long did you try it before you came to these conclusions?

How many people on any of the newssites (Newsvine included) that advocate against the iPod, have ever tried it out for a week? Trying it for a few minutes is not comparable, as you don't get to use it out in the open, during travel, in combination with iTunes and the iTMS that way (for instance).

My guess? Less than 1% of all the people that hate on the iPod have ever really used it. I have seen maybe one person in the last 8 months of following all the iPod-news I could find, state that they used to have an iPod and have now switched to a different player, and maybe five or six people who have used an iPod from a friend (but that is likely to have been a five minute hands-on test, like you'd have in the Apple Stores, not a take-home-plug-in-use-iTunes kind of test).

Of course, right now all iPod haters reading this will go "I don't have to try it out to know that it's a bad product, I can see it from the specs!"

But technical specifications can and will never show you what the experience of the product is. It is the experience which ultimately is the reason the iPod is as popular as it is today.

The blog post I quoted above says it best:

This "how long did you try it?" question will be met with, "I don't need to try something to know it's wrong." And for a ton of things, that's true. But as a sweeping statement, it doesn't hold up for most of the koolaid point, because until you've tried something or at least gotten all the facts, you cannot fully understand what others have found so compelling or practical or effective or engaging or productive or delightful

And what about Macs?

Something that I've started noticing is that most people who are vocal iPod-aficionados are not only iPod-users, but also Mac-users. In other words, the most passionate iPod users are those who also own a Mac.

The Mac, however, does not share the iPods desirable 75% market share — it's quite the opposite in fact, as Macs currently hover around a 5% market share.

The OS X operating system is quite clearly a popular one nonetheless: whilst not having any significant market share, it is continously lauded for being such a fantastic OS. Additionally, OS X tends to win awards much more often than any other operating system does, and a very thorough analysis and comparison of OS X and Windows XP (Home and Pro) shows that OS X is the better operating system overall.

When talking to an average Mac user about OS X, you'll find that they are very passionate about their OS. Unlike the average Windows user, Mac users are passionate in the good way, praising their operating system left and right, evangelizing it wherever possible. Ask any average Windows user and they're likely to complain about Windows with a passion, and if not that, you'll still be hard-pressed to find a Windows user that is truly happy about their OS and who regularly advocates its many great aspects.

But go to any news article on Apple, and you'll also find people hating on Mac OS X, Apple's machines or the iPod (even when the article isn't about iPods at all).

Commonly seen arguments: Apple is overpriced; Apple products are pretentious; Apple products are just a fashion statement and don't offer any real quality or value; Mac OS X is inferior / slower to Windows XP; Mac OS X doesn't have the same amount of software (or games), etc.

So let's ask the same question:

How long did you try it before you came to these conclusions?

Again, we will see the same results: very few of the haters have actually ever really used OS X for more than a few moments, if at all.

"But what's your point? Why are they hated by default?"

Both iPods and Macs are popular in that consumers are extremely vocal in their praises of the products. Sometimes, they are so vocal that it's annoying to others — annoyance which these others will turn into contempt for the products themselves, because they believe that the products are to blame for these enthusiastic people that are bothering them with endless promotion and zealous advocating.

I have seen it happen many times over, sometimes thanks to myself being one such example (when I first switched to Mac, after 13 years of being a Windows user, I was all too happy and excited about sharing my joy about Mac OS X with my friends, plenty of whom responded like I just described). The products aren't actually to blame, obviously, because all that the products have done is be so good (to these people) that the users actively wanted to sing their praises.

Not that the people themselves are to blame, either, but they are the ones annoying others and not the products. Popularity does breed contempt, however unfounded it may be.

But there is another reason, which may not apply to all of the haters but chances are good it applies to a lot more of them than would ever admit it:

They are jealous.

Whenever someone yells "it's overpriced!" or "it's too expensive" what you really should read is: "I looked into buying one for myself, but I couldn't afford it or justify to myself (or partner/spouse) the costs of purchasing it."

Even IF the Mac would be overpriced and even IF it would be expensive, not many people would bother bringing that up as an argument unless they had at least a smidgen of desire to own one. This is how the human mind works. People don't complain about something they absolutely don't care about at all and have absolutely no interest in.

People complaining about the iPod's price or the Mac's prices being expensive or overpriced have, at some point or another and at least for a very brief moment, wanted to buy one. This isn't wild speculation: I'm utterly convinced of this.

As evidence to support this claim: when three friends of mine, all of whom are very vocal Apple-haters, were told that they might be able to get a 15% discount on Apple hardware, they all said something along the lines of "ooh, in that case that MacBook Pro suddenly becomes very appealing"

I have many other such examples, but they all boil down to the same thing: when these Apple-haters were presented with the idea that they could get a sizeable discount, their Apple-hatred suddenly vanished completely! Gone were all the shouts of "Mac OS X sucks," replaced by a very eager-sounding "when can I get that discount?"

These people didn't hate the Mac or the iPod for being a popular device, but because they couldn't justify purchasing one at its default price (something which they might have feared would make them feel like sheep, joining the flock with the rest of the people).

On a side note: all of these Mac-haters that I know in person haven't spent much or any time at all using OS X for themselves. Again, hating without knowing what it's all about.

But getting back to topic, things are not quite as black-and-white as I may have portrayed them: there are many people who have used both Windows XP and OS X and have indicated they don't really prefer one over the other. They can get their work done on both just fine and like and dislike certain things about each OS.

Those are the people that can generally offer you a lot of really good information if you're considering making the Switch, by the way, because they truly know both OS's from personal experience and serious use, not from marketing claims, technical specs and screenshots.

And lastly, there are the people who truthfully don't care much about another OS or a certain MP3 player at all, they just go about their business and let others do all the bickering. Thing is, these people are least likely to post or comment much about these subjects, if at all, for the exact reason that they don't really care much about the issue.

I know many people in the last category as well, most predictably they are people like my parents who don't know much about computers beyond how to use Word, do e-mail and browse the 'Net. They just want to get their work done and would prefer not having to worry about destroying their hard drives through clicking on an image banner on some website and ending up with all kinds of malware. These are generally "apathetic" Windows users that couldn't much care whether they used Windows 2000, Windows XP or Mac OS X. They just want their e-mail, word processor and browser, and maybe a little game or two.

When all's said and done, though, iPods and Macs are hated because they are desirable products that manage to please their users so well that they advocate the product vigorously. And the haters? Well, not everyone can stomach enthusiastic advocates, and not everyone's rolling in money. There's always more to it, but from my personal experience with people on both sides of the fence that's pretty much the case.

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{"commentId":141649,"authorDomain":"tcervo"}

I've tried to stay out of the "iPod vs. the rest" debates, and haven't even read most of the other threads. But I will chime in the two reasons why I haven't switched from iPod to anything else on the market:

1. I use my iPod 90% of the time as a digital jukebox for my car. Makes the commute much more enjoyable. The iPod is the only product (other than a dedicated car jukebox/hard drive setup) that can *truly* integrate with my car the way I want. The number of iPod specific car audio products is vast, while the competitors are limited mostly to generic FM transmitters or AUX port connections that must still be controlled from the portable. I'm using the Alpine iPod controller, but there are similar products from several major manufacturers. My iPod is locked away in my glove box, connected via the dock connector which is connected to the hidden-away iPod controller. My iPod is always charging when my car is running, and I control it 100% from my Alpine stereo. I get full text readout of artist/title/album/etc. I have a knob that lets me scroll through playlists, artists, etc...just as if I were using the iPod directly. All the functions work from the head unit: shuffle (entire library or just the current album), volume, play/pause, next/previous track, etc. And did I mention the FULL TEXT display?

2. When I'm using my iPod as a portable MP3 player (on a plane, at the park, whatever), it's got the easiest to use, fastest, and most intuitive interface I've seen. I still haven't seen a product that truly operates as well as the click-wheel. Many have tried to copy it, but none that I've seen works as well. And, again, there's the vast amount of 3rd party add-ons...Far greater by a wide margin than any other MP3 player on the market. I have an external battery that I use on long trips, that gave me enough juice for the long flight from San Francisco to Thailand and back, including plenty of time listening on the beach. No need to pack a charger!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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Reply#1 - Wed May 31, 2006 1:42 PM EDT
{"commentId":141842,"authorDomain":"hoult"}

Do you also find that the ability to sync so well, quickly and easily with iTunes is a factor? I personally find it a massive bonus over say Sonys propitiatory "software". If iTunes was to be opened up to accommodate other MP3 players then I still think the iPod would win out, but it's definitely a reason not to use any other player at the moment for me.

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#1.1 - Wed May 31, 2006 3:23 PM EDT
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{"commentId":141659,"authorDomain":"hoult"}

Great article. I especially like the kool aid point, or lack there of. I really think that Brian and yourself have started to tap away at the wall that separates Mac/iPod users from PC/MP3 player users. It's all a question of personal taste, but like anything you can't form that opinion without actually trying it for yourself and by that I mean substantially.

It's been argued and will continue to be argued, but this is a step in the right direction. My only issue is that it may be a little long for those who decide they don't even need to try a product or service to know it's not what they are looking for so badly they can go right ahead and slander it.

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Reply#2 - Wed May 31, 2006 1:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":142218,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

Thank you. I put a good amount of effort into it so I'm very happy to see it getting some good feedback.

As for it being long and therefore possibly "shying away" the exact people I discuss in the piece, well, I'm not sure if the article conveyed it very well, but I'm not actively trying to convince iPod haters to start using the iPod.

All I really wanted to accomplish with the piece is to put things in perspective a bit more. There's a gigantic amount of debate going on all over the 'Net about the iPod and Macs, and I feel a lot of anti-Apple sentiment is poorly based or simply not researched at all.

If I can get just a small amount of people to stop mindlessly bashing Apple products and think about how much they really know about them in the first place, I'll be very satisfied. They don't have to Switch or get an iPod — by all means let them stick to Windows/Linux and whatever MP3 player they have.

I wouldn't wish to dictate what others should get. If anyone asks, I recommend the iPod and the Mac, but that's what I leave it at. I express that I personally prefer the iPod and Mac OS X after having used other MP3 players before getting an iPod and having used Windows for 13 years before making the Switch.

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#2.1 - Wed May 31, 2006 6:47 PM EDT
{"commentId":142730,"authorDomain":"hoult"}

That's exactly how I feel also. I wasn't implying that to change their mind you have to keep it sweet, in fact it doesn't really have anything to do with iPod, Mac or even Apple. This article discusses the issue of the tech folk on a much broader scale. We all have our niches, our favorites in a million categories and we all bash other products, but it's the try before you bash mentality behind this article that should be getting to people.

I certainly hope it isn't too long that those who would benefit from it would overlook it.

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#2.2 - Thu Jun 1, 2006 5:48 AM EDT
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{"commentId":141808,"authorDomain":"christopherbowers"}

This is one of the best articles I've read about the debate. I love the "How long have you tried it?" it is really true. Most people are just afraid to leave what they know and say it is bad because of that.

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Reply#3 - Wed May 31, 2006 3:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":141829,"authorDomain":"hoult"}
People are always afraid of what's different.

- Yul Brenner (Yes, mock me now, but mark Yul's words.)

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#3.1 - Wed May 31, 2006 3:19 PM EDT
{"commentId":141848,"authorDomain":"christopherbowers"}

Exactly my point and it's too bad.

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#3.2 - Wed May 31, 2006 3:25 PM EDT
{"commentId":142220,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

I fully agree: people are afraid of everything that's different. We see this throughout thousands of years of human history, we see it still today. We're afraid of change, and things that are different mean "change" — to an extent, anyway.

(@Christopher: wow, thank you. That's the nicest compliment I've ever had on the 'Vine :-))

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#3.3 - Wed May 31, 2006 6:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":145880,"authorDomain":"smaran"}

It really is a good article, Faruk.

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#3.4 - Sat Jun 3, 2006 5:58 AM EDT
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{"commentId":142254,"authorDomain":"tcervo"}

Oh, and by the way, great article...

Here's something else to ponder:

Additionally, OS X tends to win awards much more often than any other operating system does, and a very thorough analysis and comparison of OS X and Windows XP (Home and Pro) shows that OS X is the better operating system overall.

The thorough analysis and comparison of OS X and Windows XP is very interesting, and very unbiased. However, even though Mac OS X scored higher than XP, it should have been even higher still.

The reason is, the author purposely excluded the bundled apps that come with OS X (iMove, iDVD, iPhoto, etc.) because they're not bundled with the OS. Meaning, if you later upgrade your OS (to, say, 10.5 when it comes out), you'll have to upgrade the iLife suite separately. So, OS X scored very low (the lowest possible score in many cases...rated as "not natively supported") for things like video editing, photo organization, etc...The very areas where iLife excells over XP. For example, Windows Movie Maker, since it's bundled with XP, received a score of 7 for "ability to edit movies", while OS X (minus iMovie) received a 1 ("not natively supported.") I don't agree with this rationalization, because if you upgrade from one version of X to another, your existing iLife apps are very likely to still work (and still be better than the bundled XP apps.) Also, if you upgrade from one version of XP to the next, you may not get a newer version of some bundled apps...If MS didn't release a newer version of Movie Maker to coincide with an XP release, then you won't get an upgrade.

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Reply#4 - Wed May 31, 2006 7:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":142280,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

Yes, I agree that OS X should be seen as being even better than Windows XP in that comparison thanks to the iLife suite, but I support the people behind the project in their choice. They have done this to remain completely unbiased and neutral, the scoring is much stricter and reserved and that applies to both OS X and XP.

In the end, this is the most fair approach.

So yes, the iLife suite does make OS X even far more appealing, because you do get to keep an excellent suite even if you upgrade to a new version of OS X, but at the same time, this gives Mac users extra arguments. "Look, it beats XP even without the award-winning iLife suite, and you get that for free with a new Mac!"

What they could do is similar to the XP Home vs. XP Pro-thing that they do, and put OS X (with iLife) in parentheses as a second score. In other words, do the entire comparison twice for OS X, just like they do for XP, and have the second score include the iLife suite.

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#4.1 - Wed May 31, 2006 7:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":142731,"authorDomain":"hoult"}

@Faruk Ates: Please God now. I understand the reasoning behind what you are saying, but the one thing that separates the two OS' in question (in the after-sale market) is that there is one version of OS X for all (and server I suppose, but hey) while there are what? 15 versions of WXP?

Keep it simple is my motto. Remember that iLife is sold separately for only $69 (I believe) while there is an incompatible difference between WXP Home and Pro.

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#4.2 - Thu Jun 1, 2006 5:54 AM EDT
{"commentId":142742,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

Matt: what I suggested is that the people behind the X vs. XP website do two comparisons for OS X, just like they did for XP (a score for XP Home and a second score, in parentheses, for XP Pro).

I would never suggest Apple make more versions of OS X! The regular version and OS X Server for webservers is how they should keep it :-) Full agreement there, no worries. :-)

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#4.3 - Thu Jun 1, 2006 6:29 AM EDT
{"commentId":143151,"authorDomain":"tcervo"}

So let's look at this another way:

Windows XP Home is $199 retail.
Windows XP Pro is $299 retail.

OSX Tiger is $129 retail.
iLife 06 is $79 retail.

So, Tiger plus iLife combined is $208. Only those with older computers that came with an older version of OS X would be purchasing Tiger and/or iLife. Of course, the comparison on X vx. XP site is for OS X in general, and not specific to Tiger. So, someone with, say Panther (which came with an earlier version of iLife) would STILL beat XP using the comparisons listed. In fact, if the scores were to be re-done using Tiger, OS X would be even higher as it's offered many enhancements (to be fair, though, it would have to be a Tiger vs. Media Edition comparison...)

Now, consider that iLife has iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, Garage Band, and iWeb...and it comes with every Mac purchased. All of these apps were left out of the comparison.

In Windows, the equivalents are "My Pictures (nowhere close to iPhoto), "Windows Movie Maker" (nowhere close to iMovie), and...nothing else. There is no Windows equivalent to iDVD, Garage Band, or iWeb bundled with Windows.

So, here's what I'd like to see: a new comparison of Tiger vs. Media Center Edition, with iLife included in the OS X scores.

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#4.4 - Thu Jun 1, 2006 1:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":145883,"authorDomain":"smaran"}

What's My Pictures? It's just a folder inside of My Documents, as far as I know (and I've used Windows since before Windows - ie. DOS).

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#4.5 - Sat Jun 3, 2006 6:03 AM EDT
{"commentId":148170,"authorDomain":"tcervo"}

@Simran,

Yes, it's just a folder...but in XP there are many options you can do, listed in the sidebar of the window. The X vx. XP comparison site used My Pictures as the Windows "photo organization" software.

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    #4.6 - Mon Jun 5, 2006 11:45 AM EDT
    {"commentId":149264,"authorDomain":"smaran"}

    Well, a better comparison would be Picasa and iPhoto. iPhoto is a full-fleged photo organisation and editing program, which the My Pictures folder in XP is clearly not.

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    #4.7 - Tue Jun 6, 2006 1:56 AM EDT
    {"commentId":149333,"authorDomain":"ooble"}

    As you said, comparing OS X Tiger to Windows Media Centre would be a better comparison. I've been told it does have decent facilities for managing media - after all, that's what it was made for. As an aside, the My Pictures sidebar functionality is accessible in any folder - you just need to set the folder up so Windows knows it's a folder full of pictures in the Advanced Properties.

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      #4.8 - Tue Jun 6, 2006 5:17 AM EDT
      {"commentId":149470,"authorDomain":"smaran"}

      Yawn, Windows sucks. My Pictures is nothing in comparison.

      On a higher note, Apple just relaunched the iPod U2, now with video!

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        #4.9 - Tue Jun 6, 2006 9:30 AM EDT
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        {"commentId":142813,"authorDomain":"binro"}

        Thoughtful article. Thanks!

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        Reply#5 - Thu Jun 1, 2006 8:46 AM EDT
        {"commentId":142921,"authorDomain":"UKMatt"}
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        {"commentId":143770,"authorDomain":"abhibeckert"}

        Very good article, but the page you referenced has underscored OS X by quite a lot. As someone who's been using OS X since the early days, and Classic since I was a kid, I can see many places where OS X was underscored, and that's just when I skim read over the list.

        Some examples, the obvious one is that they completely ignored iLife (good idea treating iLife like XP Pro btw), every single mac os x user on the planet has iLife. Ignoring it is stupid.

        There are others as well:

        OS X gets a very poor score for disk defragmenting, when the common knowledge to OS X power users is that defraging is a waste of time under OS X. The author of a freeware OS X defragging tool wrote a paper a while ago showing that using his tool has absolutely zero positive effect. They do mention this in the article, and I'm not suggesting OS X should get a perfect score for defragging, but it should be *higher* than the windows score, not lower. How can needing to defrag your hard drive regularly, and having the tools to do so get a better score than not needing to and not having the tools?

        Under "organizing and sorting files", they only extremely briefly mention smart folders, which it seems to me is an extremely valuable feature.

        Under Command Line, they give OS X an 8 out of 10, when the only "flaws" they listed in OS X Terminal are not being able to customize the cursor size independently of the font size, and not having a full screen mode. Adjusting the cursor size is completely useless and not even worth a thousandth of a point, and going into full screen mode is also pretty much useless, and AFAIK it can be done by holding down certain keys at login time, though 99.9% of power users don't know about it.

        I'm sure there would be many other similar issues if I read through it closely, but in general the comparison seems to be overly harsh on the OS X scores, while extremely generous on the Windows XP scores.

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        Reply#7 - Thu Jun 1, 2006 7:27 PM EDT
        {"commentId":144275,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

        I agree, OS X was underscored on some departments for silly little things that shouldn't have been given such tremendous value, but maybe the reverse applied in other areas where XP was underscored for things that you and I may just not care about at all, and thus won't consider to be underscored.

        Fact remains, it's a few people's research. There will always be a certain amount of bias one way or the other -- completely unintentional, but inevitable.

        I think it's best not to care too deeply about the finer details (the iLife-as-XP-Pro idea is, of course, a much bigger thing) because as it is, OS X already is a clear winner.

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        #7.1 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 5:12 AM EDT
        {"commentId":144652,"authorDomain":"tcervo"}
        I agree, OS X was underscored on some departments for silly little things that shouldn't have been given such tremendous value, but maybe the reverse applied in other areas where XP was underscored for things that you and I may just not care about at all, and thus won't consider to be underscored.

        True, and the author of site says up front there is no attempt to weight one category more than another. So, anyone could use the existing scores as a base, then apply weighting factors to each category based on how important each factor is to him or her...Of course, I'd still rather see the base scores with iLife included ;)

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          #7.2 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 11:55 AM EDT
          {"commentId":145927,"authorDomain":"smaran"}

          You all are talking about comparing OS X with XP Pro. That doesn't work for me. Having used XP Pro since it released, till yesterday and OS X over the last 24 hours, I'll assure that I've gotten so much more with i/life and OS X, than I ever got with XP. The Get a Mac ad really is true, iLife is an entire suite of fun software and all you get with XP is a calculator.

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          #7.3 - Sat Jun 3, 2006 8:08 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":143819,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

          This is a really well-written and thorough article, Faruk. Sorta makes mine seem lesser in comparison. :)

          As I have little to add (as I obviously agree with what you say wholeheartedly) I'll wait until someone disagrees with you with glaring falsehoods before commenting further.

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          Reply#8 - Thu Jun 1, 2006 8:12 PM EDT
          {"commentId":143930,"authorDomain":"abhibeckert"}

          I read the comments expecting a healthy argument, but it seems they either all agree or have run away.

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          #8.1 - Thu Jun 1, 2006 10:04 PM EDT
          {"commentId":143931,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

          Or perhaps they find it harder to argue against solid examples of quality?

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          #8.2 - Thu Jun 1, 2006 10:06 PM EDT
          {"commentId":144277,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

          Thanks Brian, that's quite a compliment coming from you! :-)

          With so much agreement and a complete lack of disagreement, I feel reinforced in believing that my few examples are indeed representative of the vast majority of all iPod- and Mac-haters.

          Until someone pokes a good hole in the defense, I'm definitely going to link to this piece every time I see the debate stir up somewhere. :-)

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            #8.3 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 5:17 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":151011,"authorDomain":"asiafish"}

            Its definitely a jealousy thing, that and good old-fashioned ignorance.

            I recently opened a law firm and hired a lawyer to do immigration benefit work. This lawyer had never used a Mac and thought that they were both outrageously expensive and couldn't do normal tasks like legal search (all web-based these days). Needless to say, she absolutely fell in love with the G4 Mac Mini that was waiting in her office on her first day of work, and now seriously wants one for her home.

            I am one of those people who can get my work done efficiently with either a Mac or a Windows PC, and for many tasks really don't care which I am using. My typing speed is just as high in Windows as on a Mac (higher on a ThinkPad with its superior keyboard and eraserhead mouse), I can create, save, open and print my documents just as easily, and even listen to the same music, watch the same movies and view the same websites in Windows as I can on a Mac.

            The differences is the daily experience. I don't NEED dashboard, but I do like it. The little translation widget saves me a lot of trips to the English-Korean and Korean-English dictionaries while the world clock makes it a simple matter to not wake up my family in Seoul at 3:00 AM. 2 seconds to sleep or wake my PowerBook really makes life better than the 30 seconds or a minute to resume Windows from hibernation (or reboot when Windows won't resume from Suspend). The list goes on.

            Lets not even start on malware. I really loved my ThinkPad T42p, it was thinner and lighter than my 15" PowerBook, had a higher resolution screen, better keyboard and was so insanely fast it wasn't funny. It even ran for 9 hours on batteries if I removed the DVD writer and installed an auxiliary cell. What made me sell it was the constant upgrading of antivirus signature files, adaware definitions, spybot profiles and then actually running all of that stuff on a weekly basis (with at least four or five hits each week). I timed myself one week, and found that I was spending a total of over an hour downloading updates and cleaning up after malware was detected. I didn't count the time that the scanners were running as they run in the background, but they drastically slow the computer down, so I just as easily could count it. Add in defragmentation, which cannot be performed concurrently with other tasks and you can raise the maintenance time to 2 hours. Lets not forget regularly running Windows update and applying Microsoft patches.

            My office has 5 Macs, with another on the way. The only maintenance time I spend is when Software Update alerts me to a security fix. No antivirus, no anti-spyware, no adware to remove, NOTHING. It just works. Always.

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            Reply#9 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 12:26 PM EDT
            {"commentId":151366,"authorDomain":"smaran"}

            That's what I'm starting to love with my new Mac. It just works. Apple should make it their slogan: It just works.

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            #9.1 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 3:50 PM EDT
            {"commentId":151633,"authorDomain":"ooble"}

            I invested in ZoneAlarm Security Suite and Diskeeper for my Windows install a while back. Diskeeper defragments my hard drive every night so I don't have to bother doing it manually, and ZoneAlarm Security Suite consists of a firewall, antivirus and antispyware. The last time I ran any of the scans, or Ad-Aware of Spybot, I hadn't run any of them in over a month, and they found nothing. You can lock down a Windows install. I guess that's not the point though: you shouldn't have to. I now use Linux as my primary OS. I like it for the same reason you like your Mac: it just works.

            Oh, and by the way, this might make you chuckle: Microsoft's New Mantra

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            #9.2 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 7:00 PM EDT
            {"commentId":151703,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

            Simran: Apple has actually used "It Just Works™" as a slogan for many years by now. They don't use it for promotional things (like commercials) but they've used it on their site in feature listings and such for ages. :)

            Ooble: that "Microsoft's new mantra" piece is from April 22, 2005. Yeah they stole Apple's slogan, but they came back on that decision. :)

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            #9.3 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 7:36 PM EDT
            {"commentId":152177,"authorDomain":"ooble"}
            Ooble: that "Microsoft's new mantra" piece is from April 22, 2005. Yeah they stole Apple's slogan, but they came back on that decision. :)

            It still made me laugh when I first heard it, in April. Thought it might perk some people up. :-)

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            #9.4 - Thu Jun 8, 2006 7:13 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":154115,"authorDomain":"range"}

            I've got an ipod 40gb, my wife's got a ipod Nano 2gb. The next mp3 player I'll buy is something the same size but with 2x or 3x the storage. I was thinking about getting an ipod video, but decided against it. One thing's for sure, I'm not only partial to ipod. I wouldn't mind another brand, however for the price, it's difficult to find the same storage space.

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            Reply#10 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 10:33 AM EDT
            {"commentId":154188,"authorDomain":"ooble"}

            I would recommend a Creative Zen MP3 player - I've always found the audio quality to be better than other players, including the iPod - but with the exception of the Zen Xtra, which is getting on a bit now, they haven't released a player with a storage capacity above 30 Gb. I've never seen a player with more than 60 Gb out there.

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            #10.1 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 11:18 AM EDT
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